Don't believe everything you read about this blog. The information given is not factual. In fact the writer is trying to lead you by distorting the events. This group has no credibility. Don't allow yourselves to be misled.
Vizio.....why would YOU be so concerned about anyone giving to this fund? Mmmmm...is it not in YOUR best interest? I know the flight attendants will simply state the truth in court, lets see if the FO can do the same. After all, if he loses, he may have to pay ALL costs!
This info is very factual. I can't wait for the truth to come out in court and for the FO to get handed a proper bitchslap and his walking papers from the FAA and the proper hit in his ego and wallet for starting this in the first place. A man - with integrity, and honor would have done what is right. He holds the lives of others in his care. US Air (formerly America West) should be ashamed of themselves for not backing their crew and siding with the almighty dollar in trying to salvage their rep instead of doing the right thing by their customers who keep them in the air. This could have been a disaster! The FO's is lucky to be alive.
As an instrument-rated private pilot, in 2007 I was on an RJ flight out of Newark that took off with gross, lumpy ice on the wings. We made it to our destination (the ice shucked off at about 5000 ft), but I was very concerned that we were not deiced. At the destination, the FO told me he had checked for ice by running his hand along the leading edges of the wings, but he could never have felt the ice further back. Clearly, the preflight inspection may not be enough to detect the extent or presence of icing, and the courage of the FA crew to take action that may have saved lives is to be commended.
Well Torontomum - The Calgary Ground Crew, independent of the AW Flight Attendents, filed their own report with the airline and airport, saying there was indeed ice observed by them and they went to pilot to suggest deicing and were blown off. I don't know what your connection is to the case - or if ur related to the parties involved, but, lets say for arguments sake, there wasn't ice.
If 3 crew members each with years of flying experience, have concerns that there IS ice, and some of them also serve as a US Air Crew trainers, where it STRESSED how important de-icing is and how many accidents could have been averted in the past if planes took the xtra 10 minutes to properly de-ice, what is the harm in taking an xtra 10 minutes to be sure it isn't an issue?
A pilot has a responsibility not only to his passengers but to his to crew to put safety first! On-time performance and ego have no place in that venue.
I for one would rather sit tight for the xtra 10-15 minutes than end up a statistic!
And this is CRM? I don't want my kids riding with that “front office”. I’m going to donate and I wish it could be all, but I work for an airline too. Tight times, but still an honor to be in this industry and the “defamed” individual should remember that when you reach out and touch the face of God... You’re not alone.
As a former Engineering Manager for West, I wouldn't for a second, be surprised if this story isn't exactly how it went down. If I were able to show the flying public ACARS and FDAMS and how some (and I mean only SOME) of these glorified bus drivers get more credibility and authority then ground-pounders, wrench turners, and flight crew...it would scare many from flying! FAs are there for one primary reason...no, not to bring you Cokes and peanuts...but they are there to ensure passenger safety. If they believed they saw ice, then that concern should have been addressed promptly. The first thing I learned as an AMT, when in doubt...THERE IS NO DOUBT!
This whole thing is stupid. As if I was jaded enough towards US, this was enough to keep me away for good!
Pilots are not infallable! Flying a trip takes complete CRM. Crew Resource Management. That means that the flight attendant's professional opinion about anything regarding to safety is to be considered. They are the eyes and the ears in the cabin. Trust me, if I saw what appeared to be ice build up on the wings, I would be in the cockpit in 2 seconds. Let us not forget the Air Florida crash in Washington, DC in the 80's. The PIC would not listen to the SIC regarding ice on the wings and they wound up in The Potamac! I applaud the flight attendants for speaking up. I shut down a trip when I flew for Capitol Air many years ago as the SR F/A on a charter trip in The Azores. The PIC was DRUNK! It was not a pretty picture but I was glad that I was instumental in shutting down the trip. The crew in this case should be commended and the PIC should lose the EGO!
It's nice to see the judge finally handed this FO his ego back and threw out the suit. He acknowledged suit should have never been brought and even got FO to admit there was in fact ice on wings. Now I can only hope these poor FA's who did the right thing countersue this egotist for all the financial hardship he caused them for doing their jobs the right way. Unlike him, they put the safety of the plane first. I will make sure from now on I ask in advance the name of the pilot and FO on all US Air flights. I will get off any plane this guy is on and demand a different flight.
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Don't believe everything you read about this blog. The information given is not factual. In fact the writer is trying to lead you by distorting the events. This group has no credibility. Don't allow yourselves to be misled.
Really? Pray tell, Vizio! What is the true story? Enlighten us!
Vizio.....why would YOU be so concerned about anyone giving to this fund? Mmmmm...is it not in YOUR best interest?
I know the flight attendants will simply state the truth in court, lets see if the FO can do the same. After all, if he loses, he may have to pay ALL costs!
This info is very factual. I can't wait for the truth to come out in court and for the FO to get handed a proper bitchslap and his walking papers from the FAA and the proper hit in his ego and wallet for starting this in the first place. A man - with integrity, and honor would have done what is right. He holds the lives of others in his care. US Air (formerly America West) should be ashamed of themselves for not backing their crew and siding with the almighty dollar in trying to salvage their rep instead of doing the right thing by their customers who keep them in the air. This could have been a disaster! The FO's is lucky to be alive.
Don't bother commenting. They delete the comments if the comment is not positive to the Flight Attendants.
All I know is that if I ever flew on this airline I pray I would have this crew on my flight.
De-icing is one of those things that it's better to have and not need than to need and not have.
Should it be acceptable to allow an exaggeration to save lives?
Any day!
As an instrument-rated private pilot, in 2007 I was on an RJ flight out of Newark that took off with gross, lumpy ice on the wings. We made it to our destination (the ice shucked off at about 5000 ft), but I was very concerned that we were not deiced. At the destination, the FO told me he had checked for ice by running his hand along the leading edges of the wings, but he could never have felt the ice further back. Clearly, the preflight inspection may not be enough to detect the extent or presence of icing, and the courage of the FA crew to take action that may have saved lives is to be commended.
There are a number of factual errors in the story. Not the least of which is - there was no ice!
Well Torontomum - The Calgary Ground Crew, independent of the AW Flight Attendents, filed their own report with the airline and airport, saying there was indeed ice observed by them and they went to pilot to suggest deicing and were blown off. I don't know what your connection is to the case - or if ur related to the parties involved, but, lets say for arguments sake, there wasn't ice.
If 3 crew members each with years of flying experience, have concerns that there IS ice, and some of them also serve as a US Air Crew trainers, where it STRESSED how important de-icing is and how many accidents could have been averted in the past if planes took the xtra 10 minutes to properly de-ice, what is the harm in taking an xtra 10 minutes to be sure it isn't an issue?
A pilot has a responsibility not only to his passengers but to his to crew to put safety first! On-time performance and ego have no place in that venue.
I for one would rather sit tight for the xtra 10-15 minutes than end up a statistic!
And this is CRM? I don't want my kids riding with that “front office”. I’m going to donate and I wish it could be all, but I work for an airline too. Tight times, but still an honor to be in this industry and the “defamed” individual should remember that when you reach out and touch the face of God... You’re not alone.
As a former Engineering Manager for West, I wouldn't for a second, be surprised if this story isn't exactly how it went down. If I were able to show the flying public ACARS and FDAMS and how some (and I mean only SOME) of these glorified bus drivers get more credibility and authority then ground-pounders, wrench turners, and flight crew...it would scare many from flying! FAs are there for one primary reason...no, not to bring you Cokes and peanuts...but they are there to ensure passenger safety. If they believed they saw ice, then that concern should have been addressed promptly. The first thing I learned as an AMT, when in doubt...THERE IS NO DOUBT!
This whole thing is stupid. As if I was jaded enough towards US, this was enough to keep me away for good!
Pilots are not infallable! Flying a trip takes complete CRM. Crew Resource Management. That means that the flight attendant's professional opinion about anything regarding to safety is to be considered. They are the eyes and the ears in the cabin. Trust me, if I saw what appeared to be ice build up on the wings, I would be in the cockpit in 2 seconds. Let us not forget the Air Florida crash in Washington, DC in the 80's. The PIC would not listen to the SIC regarding ice on the wings and they wound up in The Potamac! I applaud the flight attendants for speaking up. I shut down a trip when I flew for Capitol Air many years ago as the SR F/A on a charter trip in The Azores. The PIC was DRUNK! It was not a pretty picture but I was glad that I was instumental in shutting down the trip. The crew in this case should be commended and the PIC should lose the EGO!
Susan C. Friedenberg
DONT PAY THESE PEOPLE A PENNY!!
THEY BROUGHT THIS ON THEMSELVES!!
NEXT TIME, THEY WILL THINK BEFORE THEY ACT.
It's nice to see the judge finally handed this FO his ego back and threw out the suit. He acknowledged suit should have never been brought and even got FO to admit there was in fact ice on wings. Now I can only hope these poor FA's who did the right thing countersue this egotist for all the financial hardship he caused them for doing their jobs the right way. Unlike him, they put the safety of the plane first. I will make sure from now on I ask in advance the name of the pilot and FO on all US Air flights. I will get off any plane this guy is on and demand a different flight.
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